Should I sell the frame separately?

Sometimes. A fine period frame can be worth more than a modest picture inside it, and empty frames have their own buyers. Ask before splitting them — if the frame is original to the picture, the pair together is usually worth more.

Is a heavy ornate frame a sign of value?

Not by itself. Plenty of ordinary prints were sold in elaborate composition frames. Weight and ornament tell you about the frame's own construction, not about the art it holds.

What should I photograph for a listing?

The front square-on, the back in full, every label and stamp close up, all four corners of the frame, and the stretcher bars. Those photos answer most of the questions a bidder would otherwise email you.

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What the frame tells you about the painting

A frame is evidence. Hand-carved wood with real gilding, a period-appropriate profile, and old fitting hardware suggest a picture someone once thought was worth protecting. Composition ornament, a stapled back, and modern hanging wire suggest a later reframe. The back of the frame and stretcher often carry labels, stamps, and stock numbers worth more than the front.

Gilded or gold-painted?

Real water gilding sits over a red or grey clay bole, so wear on the high points shows a warm red-brown underneath rather than white plaster or raw wood. It has a soft, slightly cool shine that varies across the surface. Gold paint is flat, uniform, and often faintly green or brassy. A gold-painted frame is not automatically bad, but it is a different price class.

Carved wood versus composition

Older quality frames are carved wood, sometimes with gesso detail. Later production frames use composition ornament — a mouldable putty pressed into a mould and applied to a plain wood core. Composition cracks in a characteristic fine web and chips off in flakes that reveal a uniform interior. Carved wood chips along the grain. Look at a damaged corner, which is where both give themselves away.

The back is the document

Turn it over. Framer and gallery labels, exhibition stickers, auction stock numbers, chalk inventory marks, and old shipping tags all establish where a picture has been. Photograph everything on the back before you clean or reframe anything. A gallery label can matter more to the price than the frame itself, and it is the first thing lost in a reframe.

Does the frame fit the picture?

A period frame that fits the stretcher exactly, with old nail or point holes that line up, has probably been on that picture a long time. A frame that is slightly too big, packed out with card or wood strips, was married to the painting later. Neither is fatal, but an original frame adds value and a mismatched one is a clue that the picture has moved through the trade.

Do not strip or refinish first

Stripping old gilding, replacing a frame, or removing backing boards destroys exactly the evidence a specialist uses. If you are about to sell, photograph and consign as found. Restoration decisions are cheaper after an opinion than before one.

Questions

Should I sell the frame separately?: Sometimes. A fine period frame can be worth more than a modest picture inside it, and empty frames have their own buyers. Ask before splitting them — if the frame is original to the picture, the pair together is usually worth more.
Is a heavy ornate frame a sign of value?: Not by itself. Plenty of ordinary prints were sold in elaborate composition frames. Weight and ornament tell you about the frame's own construction, not about the art it holds.
What should I photograph for a listing?: The front square-on, the back in full, every label and stamp close up, all four corners of the frame, and the stretcher bars. Those photos answer most of the questions a bidder would otherwise email you.